If only women wouldn't act that way...

they wouldn't get raped.

The thing is, "advising people not to act in those ways" impliesand is frequently extrapolated to mean that what might have worked in "negligible" "number of rapes the victim could clearly have prevented," would be effective deterrents to all cases in which men rape.

I said "It seems an uneven and dangerous presumption to make that women have power over men which men appear to not have over themselves." I didn't say you held this presumption. I do believe it is a "commonly" held presumption by many.

"Normal men don't take precautions against raping women because they don't need to..." but do they take active measures to let the men and boys around them know that rape is wrong? Do they speak up when a group gets together in a locker room, a sports bar, a fraternity or even one on one with their friends when those friends start talking about what they'd like to do to/with such-and-so-woman-of-"note"? Do "normal" men correct or rebuke or educate the guys who talk of rape and/or sexual "conquest" as a cool, "manly" thing to do or that some woman "deserved it"? Or do "normal" men sit back and figure "it's none of my business" and let the talking and boasting and ragging continue and accept that their wives, mothers, daughters, sisters and female friends are just gonna have to learn to protect themselves from "normal" guy's friends?

I bet there are many guys here who have stopped or attempted to stop a female friend or family member from going out with one of their "dickhead" (used soley for differentiation from "normal" men) friends? I wonder how many have ever attempted to educate previously mentioned "dickhead" about their questionable behavior? Which tact may do the "greatest" good? "Saving" one female on one occasion or "saving" many women with whom previously mentioned "dickhead" will come into contact throughout his life. Better yet, "saving" one female AND educating previously mentioned "dickhead."